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» - 07/23/09 21:21:29 -- More on Welles: check out the Sleepy Lagoon case where Welles spoke out vigorously against the conviction of 17 Mexican Americans who were accused in the brutal stabbbing/beating death of Jose Diaz on August 2, 1942. That summer, the press (Hearst) launched a campaign against Mexicans as violent murderers. The Zoot Suit Riots ensued. Cops brutalized Mexicans in the streets. It was a race war. The youth were sentenced on January 13, 1944, to the outrage of many in the LA community, including Welles, who wrote and distributed a 20-page pamphlet by the tens of thousands, signed by members of the screen actor's guild and other community bigwigs. NOTE: Beth's body was found on January 15, 1947, near the anniversary of the controversial conviction. Was Beth murdered on the anniversary of this date as some sort of message to either the Mexican community or the police? By the way, the defendents were all members of an organized gang known as the "38th Street Gang." Beth's body was dumped, correct me if I'm wrong, just off 39th Street. This was the romping ground of that gang. Why did the press not play up the tie-in with the murder of Jose Diaz, and try to blame it on the gang? Note that the only people who came forward or were suspects were whites. Why wouldn't Hearst---or the police---want to dig up the race issue again? It would have been a perfect opportunity. | |
» - 07/23/09 09:37:50 -- Thanks B. Mark's background looks interesting, hope he joins | |
» Briar - 07/23/09 09:24:23 -- I'm going to be gone for a couple of days. So far Mark is still checking the site (I assume) and me out. He's going to be talking to Larry, so I assume if we all check out, he'll join. | |
» Copagirl - 07/22/09 16:01:02 -- Thanks Bri, good idea... | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 14:45:37 -- Jus' me bein' weird. No offense Eva. | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 14:09:07 -- and all those bisected doll babies... | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 14:08:41 -- for the movie with the crazy house of mirrors... | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 14:07:35 -- And Welles made her a blonde... | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 14:07:12 -- But Rita Heyworth was a "redhead"... | |
» - 07/22/09 11:49:30 -- Storm Drain agree that sawing the woman in half trick was in vogue and does not establish Welles as suspect, but his interest in the occult, birthday which is the same as the birthday of Beth's acquaintance and murder victim Georgette, the fact that the murder suspect was tall, over 6 feet to 6 feet 4 (Welles was described as being well over six feet) and his predilection and use for young brunettes who look strikingly like the Dahlia, would make him in my mind an immediate suspect--at least as a "person of interest" to question in the investigation. His relationship to the Hearst family, where the Hearsts and the Baeurdorfs were connected, is of note. His sudden decision to leave the country and go to Europe right after the murders, and to ask to star in a movie playing the role of a French serial killer who bakes the bodies of his victims in ovens, is singularly strange. Not to say that Welles did it, but it is clear that the murder has marks of the Hollywood/occult/sex/media cabal rather than the act of a lone madman. | |
» - 07/22/09 11:39:05 -- Copagirl thank you for the thread will follow it. | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/22/09 08:58:22 -- Eva you cuckoo nut you. | |
» Briar - 07/22/09 07:44:57 -- Umm I'm just going to kinda do what I just did until someone works this out | |
» Copagirl - 07/22/09 07:16:11 -- Welcome to all newbies! (especially Mary Pacios!) | |
» Copagirl - 07/22/09 07:15:18 -- Can we start threads to discuss this, or else all this info will disappear. Maybe evabraun can use Briar's Orson Welles thread? It's very interesting and worth discussing! | |
» - 07/22/09 00:09:59 -- re: "sawing the woman in half act so in vogue with magicians in Hollywood" indicates Welles was just one of many such magicians. too far fetched. | |
» - 07/21/09 23:11:13 -- Cutting the body in half is clearly a reference to the sawing the woman in half act so in vogue with magicians in Hollywood. See Marlene Dietrich and Orson Welles in their act. Welles' ex-wife was turned down for this job by the producers, so they had to get Dietrich, who was clearly nervous about it. So who did this to the Dahlia? Someone who was obsessed with Orson Welles maybe and perhaps knew about or shared some of his female lovers---who all were dark-haired and mysterious. Remember that Georgette Baeurdorf shared Welles' birthday of May 6, and she was Beth Short's friend.... | |
» - 07/21/09 23:07:04 -- Ok, here's another offering. Beth Short's body was positioned in a five-point pentagram position (like DaVinci's figure of man) which is also a symbol for the five alignment points of earth/venus. The position of the body directly in front of the Hollywood sign points to the fact that this is a human sacrifice (blood drained from the body) to the coming god of Hollywood (which would claim so many lives in a few short years). Orson Welles was, I believe, a Freemason, and perhaps even a Knight of Malta. He knew all about this occult stuff, and if he didn't do the murder, he at least may have influenced it somehow. See the pictures of Dolores Del Rio, Welles' mistress. She's a ringer for Beth Short. His second wife was also dark-haired. The discovery that Short may have been a virgin, or there was an anomaly with her genitalia may have led the murderer to assume she was divine, or perhaps not a perfect offering, and thus the laying out of her body in what appears to be a cross or crucifix... I'm just free-associating here, but any comments? | |
» Dom.. - 07/21/09 21:58:55 -- That, Lou Sfar, is a classic comment. Bravo. | |
» Lou Sfar - 07/21/09 21:21:45 -- Does this case ever get you down? I can't take anymore research for awhile. I can only read about so many dead girls before I feel my mind slipping away. | |
» - 07/21/09 13:18:09 -- yikes, that smiley has some serious teeth | |
» - 07/21/09 13:17:51 -- Welcome, new members | |
» Briar - 07/21/09 13:11:06 -- Eva I started a thread in the investigation thread about Orson Welles. I posted your shout because they don't last forever. | |
» - 07/21/09 12:10:42 -- Has anyone noticed that Orson Welles' birthday and Georgette Bauerndorf's b-day are the same--May 6? Welles' backers were the Hearsts and Baurndorts were friends of the Hearsts. Welles was 6 feet to 6' 4"---the same height as the guy who allegedly unscrewed the lightbulb outside little Georgette's house. Of course Welles dabbled in the occult and like to saw women in half on his magic show. He left for Europe right after the Dahlia murder, citing "blacklisting" because he was a left winger. Was this a psy-op by OTO in CA in conjunction with police to scare women getting into the entertainment/sex business---to ruin or discredit their backers and create a media sensation? Looks like the mob/OTO/police/Hearst/Hollywood cabal. Any comments? | |
» Briar - 07/21/09 12:02:36 -- Welcome to you too eva!! |