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On this book,the author indicated that a ''light coupe''was seen by Betty Bersinger...It's strange!Systematicly,commentators talked only upon the black Ford sedan car.Guests cannot see images in posts.

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Quote:Hi,

Below is a press release I received about a new bus tour pertaining to the Black Dahlia murder and a history of Beth Short:

LOS ANGELES- On September 25, the eclectic bus adventure company Esotouric offers its most popular true crime tour, THE REAL BLACK DAHLIA.

Since January 1947, this one iconic murder mystery has lingered unsolved at the forefront of the American imagination, with dozens of books, films and websites dedicated to solving the slaying of Beth Short, the Massachusetts girl who came to Hollywood hoping to make it, and ended up cut in two in a vacant lot. Suspects in the Black Dahlia murder have included L.A. Times publisher Norman Chandler and Orson Welles, crazed lesbians, twisted drifters and more than one writer's father, but still the mystery abides.

The Real Black Dahlia tour dedicates itself to revealing who victim Elizabeth Short really was by exploring her life in Los Angeles from mid 1946 to her January 1947 murder through examination of the police investigation and news coverage. The various theories are up for discussion during the onboard Q&A sections, and the hosts share their idea of who the killer might have been, but the focus is firmly on the 22-year-old woman whose death continues to fascinate. Along the way, passengers will explore the social history of postwar Los Angeles and its lively downtown scene and learn the role the city played in Short's mysterious death.

The tour begins at the Biltmore Hotel in Downtown Los Angeles, where Beth Short went after checking her bags at the Greyhound Terminal. Passengers will tour the beautifully restored hotel before heading south, to the low rent Olive Street bar where she met her murderer. The Downtown portion of the tour includes the Examiner newspaper offices, where the crime became myth as pioneering female City Editor Aggie Underwood spun the case for weeks, and the Figueroa Hotel, where Short stayed in happier times.

The bus then heads west towards Leimert Park and the formerly vacant lot where Short's bisected body was discovered on January 15, 1947. Also in this neighborhood, passengers visit the site of another unsolved 1947 kidnap-murder and the home of Dr. Walter Bayley, who has emerged in recent years as the most compelling suspect, with his personal ties to Beth Short's family and the crime scene, and the surgical skill needed to bisect the body. The tour includes a cop-approved snack stop for Krispy Kreme donuts near the body dump site.

Also featured: a special presentation from cosmetics historian Joan Renner exploring Beth Short's unusual proto-goth make up, so different from the popular girl next store look of 1947, and a key to understanding her psychology.

Passengers on this eye-opening and informative tour will leave with a new understanding of the Black Dahlia case and what it was like to be a single woman in 1940s Los Angeles. It is highly recommended for natives and newcomers, crime and history buffs and anyone who likes to seek out the unexpected.

Quote:As someone who has lived in Los Angeles for 15 years now, I can tell you Larry Harnisch's theory holds merit.

WALKING A MILE
An earlier post said it was a "stretch" that Beth would walk in the dark one mile to a doctor's office. Actually, Angelenos walk a mile in downtown Los Angeles all the time. In the dark, believe it or not. Not because it's safe, but because they're with friends or they have a trusting attitude or because the bus stops often drop off within a mile from your destination, so it's not uncommon. Back in 1947, I wouldn't doubt Beth had a more trusting attitude than she might have if she lived in modern times.

BAYLEY'S ASSOCIATION
Also, I want to clarify Harnisch's remarks about Dr. Bayley's daughter, Barbara's, association with Beth Short's sister, Virginia. Not only did Dr. Bayley and his wife live very close to the Biltmore and to Dr. Bayley's office, but they offered their home to Virginia as the wedding venue for Virginia's wedding wherein she married her husband, Adrian. This indicates Dr. Bayley and his wife knew Virginia as she was a good friend of Barbara Lindgren's.

In light of this, if Beth Short showed up at the Biltmore Hotel completely broke and with no place to go (according to Mary Pacios, witnesses placed her there and also reported her frequent trips back and forth from the lobby to the phone booth), it stands to reason that she may have called Dr. Bayley for help.

CLEO AS A SAFETY NET . . . OR NOT
Also, an earlier post indicated Cleo, Beth's father, lived near the Biltmore. According to Cleo, he and Beth had a falling out and Beth was asked to leave his home. Obviously, this means Cleo was not an option for Beth.

We'll never really know what the real story is, but it is possible that Beth walked to the doctor's office. Another possibility is that the doctor drove to the Biltmore and that Beth met him outside instead of having him come in to retrieve her. It is also possible that they met up at a halfway point to where his car was parked, especially if his office was closing up shop for the night and he was leaving his office.

The other consideration is this: as close as Dr. Bayley's connection was with Virginia, standard investigation practices should have revealed this connection and Dr. Bayley should have been explored as a suspect yet he was never listed as an official suspect. Either someone covered for Dr. Bayley and provided an alibi (most likely Dr. Alexandra, his medical partner) or the police decided an old, white, male physician couldn't possibly have committed such an atrocity, against an unmarried, although white, female, penniless, homeless drifter with nowhere to go.

Seems to me Dr. Bayley would not have gone down for this murder even if law enforcement knew it was him.